Steel FAQ (by Joe Talmadge)

Author:  Joe Talmadge jat@cup.hp.com

Last Updated: July 1999

Let me start with my bibliography.  I got the knowledge for this FAQ from my own experience as a collector and amateur knifemaker, and from countless conversations with custom makers.  I've also read countless articles on steels, but here are the four that I actually had in front of me:

  Bob Engnath's Blades and Stuff Catalog.  Bob's catalog is a     must-see for everyone, even for just collectors, as it contains    a wealth of information on all kinds of great knife subjects.    There is a section on knife steels.  Bob passed away in 1998,    but if you can find an old copy of his catalog, grab it.

  "The Secrets of Steel," by Butch Winter, _Tactical    Knives_, Spring 1995.

  "What Alloys Do For Blade Steel," by Wayne Goddard, _Blade_,    June 1994.

  Email conversation with Wayne Goddard, February 1998.    Don Fogg's article on damascus steels from his website         www.dfoggknives.com (information used by permission)

Also worth reading: 

# Principal Metals vast database of steel properties & terms http://www.principalmetals.com 

# Crucible's Steel Pages, loaded with info on composition/selection/etc. http://www.crucibleservice.com/cscd/crumain2.htm 

# Suppliers Online huge database of steel info http://www.suppliersonline.com

#A.G. Russell's FAQ Pages http://agrussell.com/faq/index.html #Spyderco's Steel Page http://www.spyderco.com/elements.html

# Malex's Steel Data Chart for Knifemaking http://www.online.ru/people/malex/  

# Knives.com  entire site is interesting, but hit "Tech", then "Steel" http://www.knives.com 

# Metal Mart's dictionary of metallurgical terms http://www.metal-mart.com/dictlist.htm

# Kevin Wilkins small Steel Crossreference Chart (US/Germany/Japan) http://www.wilkins-knives.com 

# A list of metallurgical sites, schools, organizations, and journals http://www.mlc.lib.mi.us/~stewarca/metallurgy.html

# Titanium Info http://www.halperntitanium.com/

# Don Fogg's excellent info pages  www.dfoggknives.com

The State of Knife Steels Today (editorial):

  There are some very interesting things going on in the knifemakingworld, steel-wise.  In the non-stainless steel world, Benchmade'soffering of an AFCK with M-2 steel has set off a flurry of interest innon-stainless steel, a very good trend in my opinion.  Look for othercompanies to offer products in M-2, A-2, and other tool steels.

  Stainless-wise, there are even more exciting things going on.  ATS-34 has been on fire for the past 10 years or so, but the leading-edge consumers and makers are already looking past it.  BG-42 and VG-10 are offering significant improvements over ATS-34 in edge-holding, and improvement in toughness too.  440V and 420V leap frog even those steels in terms of edge-holding, with 420V having good toughness.

  In the area of non-steel materials, the interesting titanium alloys that came out a few years ago are joined by some promising ceramic materials and cobalt alloys.  Talonite offers the non-paralleled(outside of ceramics) edge-holding and non-corrosiveness of the older Stellite 6K cobalt alloy, but talonite is much cheaper and easier to work, making it affordable enough to be an interesting material.  Rob Simonich, T.H. Rinaldi, and Kit Carson have been using talonite recently.  David Boye's BDC cobalt alloy, made with Boye's dendritic process, is also promising.  On the ceramic side, Kevin McClung's ceramic composite shows that ceramics are available that are tough enough to chop with (though still less tough than steel).  This ceramic holds an edge forever and is non-corrosive. 

  A well-informed, leading-edge knife buyer or maker should be looking at these promising trends carefully.  The use of new stainless steel sand cobalt alloys and ceramics, and the renewed interest in high-performing non-stainless steels, are all very positive and exciting trends in cutlery technology. 

Introduction:

  One thing to keep in mind is that there's more to knife performance than the steel.  The blade profile is also important (a tanto format isn't the best choice to skin a deer, for example).  But perhaps most important is the heat treatment.  A good solid heat treatment on a lesser steel will often result in a blade that out performs a better steel with inferior heat treatment.  Bad heat treatment can cause a stainless steel to lose some of its stainless properties, or cause a tough steel to become brittle, etc.  Unfortunately, of the three most important properties (blade profile, steel type, heat treatment), heat treatment is the one that is impossible to assess by eye, and as a result excessive attention is sometimes paid to the other two. 

  Remember also to keep your particular application in mind.  440A is often scoffed at, but I'd rather have my salt water dive knife made of 440A than L-6.  Properly heat treated 5160 is wonderfully tough, but if my application is skinning deer, I'm probably more interested in edge holding ala 52100.  And on and on.  Steel

Alloys:

  At its most simple, steel is iron with carbon in it.  Other alloys are added to make the steel perform differently.  Here are the important steel alloys in alphabetical order, and some sample steels that contain those alloys:

Carbon:

    Present in all steels, it is the most important hardening         element.  Also increases the strength of the steel.  We usually want knife-grade steel to have >.5% carbon, which makes it "high-carbon" steel.

Chromium:

   Added for wear resistance, hardenability, and (most importantly) for corrosion resistance.  A steel with at least 13% chromium is deemed "stainless" steel.  Despite the name, all steel can rust if not maintained properly.

Manganese:

    An important element, manganese aids the grain structure,  and contributes to hardenability.  Also strength & wear resistance.  Improves the steel (e.g., deoxidizes) during the steel's manufacturing (hot working and rolling).  Present in most cutlery steel except for A-2, L-6, and CPM 420V.

Molybdenum:

  A carbide former, prevents brittleness & maintains the steel's strength at high temperatures.  Present in many steels, and air-hardening steels (e.g., A-2, ATS-34)  always have 1% or more molybdenum -- molybdenum is what gives those steels the ability to harden in air.

Nickel:

   Used for hardenability, corrosion resistance, and toughness.   Present in L-6 and AUS-6 and AUS-8.  Some recent papers downplay nickel's role in corrosion resistance.

Silicon:

  Contributes to strength.  Like manganese, it makes the steel more sound while it's being manufactured.

Tungsten:

  Increases wear resistance.  When combined properly with  chromium or molybdenum, tungsten will make the steel to be a high-speed steel.  The high-speed steel M-2 has a high amount of tungsten.  The strongest carbide former behind vanadium.

Vanadium:

  Contributes to wear resistance and hardenability.  A carbide former that helps produce fine-grained steel.  A number of steels have vanadium, but M-2, Vascowear, and CPM T440V and 420V (in order of increasing amounts) have high amounts of vanadium.  BG-42's biggest difference with ATS-34 is the addition of vanadium.  Vanadium also refines the grain structure, resulting in a tougher steel.

CARBON and alloy steels (non-stainless steels):

  These steels are the steels most often forged.  Stainless steels can be forged (guys like Sean McWilliams do forge stainless), but it is very difficult.  In addition, carbon steels can be differentially tempered, to give a hard edge-holding edge and a tough springy back.Stainless steels are not differentially tempered.  Of course, carbon steels will rust faster than stainless steels, to varying degrees.  Carbon steels are also often a little bit less of a crap shoot than stainless steels -- I believe all the steels named below are fine performers when heat treated properly.

  In the AISI steel designation system, 10xx is carbon steel, any other steels are alloy steels.  For example, the 50xx series are chromium steels.  In the SAE designation system, steels with letter designations (e.g.,W-2, A-2) are tool steels.

  There is an ASM classification system as well, but it isn't seen often in the discussion of cutlery steels, so I'll ignore it for now. 

  Often, the last numbers in the name of a steel are fairly close to the steel's carbon content.  So 1095 is ~.95% carbon.  52100 is ~1.0%carbon.  5160 is ~.60% carbon. 

O-1

 This is a steel very popular with forgers, as it has the reputation for being "forgiving".  It is an excellent steel, that takes and holds an edge superbly, and is very tough.  It rusts easily, however.Randall Knives uses O-1, so does Mad Dog.

W-2

Reasonably tough and holds an edge well, due to its .2% vanadium content.  Most files are made from W-1, which is the same as W-2 except for the vanadium content (W-1 has no vanadium).

The 10-series -- 1095 (and 1084, 1070, 1060, 1050, etc.)

  Many of the 10-series steels for cutlery, though 1095 is the most popular for knives.  When you go in order from 1095-1050, you generally go from more carbon to less, from better edge holding to less edge holding, and tough to tougher to toughest.  As such, you'll see 1060 and 1050, used often for swords.  For knives, 1095 is sort ofthe "standard" carbon steel, not too expensive and performs well.  It is reasonably tough and holds an edge very well.  It rusts easily.  This is a simple steel, which contains only two alloying elements:  .95% carbon and .4% manganese.  The various kabars are usually 1095 with a black coating. 

Carbon V

  Carbon V is a trade marked term by Cold Steel, and as such is not necessarily one particular kind of steel; rather, it describes whatever steel Cold Steel happens to be using, and there is an indication they do change steels from time to time.  Carbon V performs roughly between 1095-ish and O-1-ish, in my opinion, and rusts like O-1 as well.  I've heard rumors that Carbon V is O-1 (which I now think is unlikely) or 1095.  Numerous industry in siders insist it is 0170-6.  Some spark tests done by a rec.knives reader seem to point the finger at 50100-B.  Since 50100-B and 0170-6 are the same steel (see below), this is likely the current Carbon V.

0170-6 - 50100-B

  These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation.  A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O-1, but much less expensive.  The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from O170-6,and Carbon V may be 0170-6.  50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel. 

A-2

  An excellent air-hardening tool steel, it is known for its great toughness and good edge holding.  As an air-hardening steel, so don't expect it to be differentially tempered.  Its outstanding toughness makes it a frequent choice for combat knives.  Chris Reeve and Phil Hartsfield both use A-2, and Blackjack made a few models from A-2.

L-6A

  band saw steel that is very tough and holds an edge well, but rusts easily.  It is, like O-1, a forgiving steel for the forger.  If you're willing to put up with the maintenance, this may be one of the very best steels available for cutlery, especially where toughness is desired.

M-2A

  "high-speed steel", it can hold its temper even at very high temperatures, and as such is used in industry for high-heat cutting jobs.  It is an excellent edge holder.  It is tough but not as toughas some of the toughest steels in this section; however, it will still be tougher than the stainless steels and hold an edge better.  It rusts easily.  Benchmade has started using M-2 in one of their AFCK variations.

5160

  A steel popular with forgers, it is extremely popular now and a very high-end steel.  It is essentially a simple spring steel with chromium added for hardenability.  It has good edge holding, but is known especially for its outstanding toughness (like L-6).  Often used for swords (hardened in the low 50s Rc) because of its toughness, and is also used for hard use knives (hardened up near the 60s Rc).

52100A

  ball-bearing steel, and as such is only used by forgers.  It is similar to 5160 (though it has around 1% carbon vs. 5160 ~.60%), but holds an edge better.  It is less tough than 5160 however.  It is used often for hunting knives and other knives where the user is willing to trade off a little of 5160's toughness for better edge holding.

D-2

  D-2 is sometimes called a "semi-stainless".  It has a fairly high chrome content (12%), but not high enough to classify it as stainless.  It is more stain resistant than the carbon steels mentioned above,however.  It has excellent edge holding, but may be a little less tough than some of the steels mentioned above.  And it does not take abeautiful finish.  Bob Dozier uses D-2.

Vascowear

  A very hard-to-find steel, with a high vanadium content.  It is extremely difficult to work and very wear-resistant.  It is out of production. 

"STAINLESS" Steels:

  Remember that all steels can rust.  But the following steels, by virtue of their > 13% chromium, have much more rust resistance than the above steels.  I should point out that there doesn't appear to be consensuson what percent of chromium is needed for a steel to be considered stainless.  In the cutlery industry, the de-facto standard is 13%, but the ASM Metals Handbooks says "greater than 10%", and other books cite other numbers.  In addition, the alloying elements have a strong influence on the amount of chromium needed; lower chromium with the right alloying elements can still have "stainless" performance.

420

  Lower carbon content (<.5%) than the 440 series makes this steel extremely soft, and it doesn't hold an edge well.  It is used often for diving knives, as it is extremely stain resistant.  Also used often for very inexpensive knives.  Outside salt water use, it is too soft to be a good choice for a utility knife.

440 A  -  440 B  -  440C

  The carbon content (and hardenability) of this stainless steel goes up in order from A (.75%) to B (.9%) to C (1.2%).  440C is an excellent,high-end stainless steel, usually hardened to around 56-58 Rc.  All three resist rust well, with 440A being the most rust resistant, and 440C the least.  The SOG Seal 2000 is 440A, and Randall uses 440B for their stainless knives.  440C is fairly ubiquitous, and is generally considered a very good general-use stainless, tougher and more stain resistant than ATS-34 but with less edge-holding.  If your knife is marked with just "440", it is probably the less expensive 440A; if amanufacturer had used the more expensive 440C, he'd want to advertise that.  The general feeling is that 440A (and similar steels, seebelow) is just good enough for everyday use, especially with a good heat treat (we've heard good reports on the heat treat of SOG's 440A blades, don't know who does the work for them).  440-B is a very solid performer and 440-C is excellent.

425M - 12C27

  Both are very similar to 440A.  425M (.5% carbon) is used by Buckknives.  12C27 (.6% carbon) is a Scandanavian steel used often in Finish puukkos and Norwegian knives.

AUS-6 - AUS-8 - AUS-10 (aka 6A 8A 10A)

  Japanese stainless steels, roughly comparable to 440A (AUS-6, .65%carbon) and 440B (AUS-8, .75% carbon) and 440C (AUS-10, 1.1% carbon).  AUS-6 is used by Al Mar.  Cold Steel's use of AUS-8 has made it pretty popular, as heat treated by CS it won't hold an edge like ATS-34, but is a bit softer and may be a bit tougher.  AUS-10 has roughly the same carbon content as 440C but with slightly less chromium, so it should be a bit less rust resistant but perhaps a bit tougher than 440C.  All 3 steels have some vanadium added (which the 440 series lacks), which will improve wear resistance.

GIN-1 aka G-2A

  steel with slightly less carbon, slightly more chromium, and muchless moly than ATS-34, it is used often by Spyderco.  A very good stainless steel.

ATS-34 - 154-CM

  ATS-34 has been the hottest high-end stainless in the 1990s.  154-CM is the original American version, but for a long time was not manufactured to the high quality standards knifemakers expect, so knifemakers switched over to ATS-34.  CPM is again making high-quality 154-CM, and some companies seeking to stick with American-made products (like Microtech) are using it.  ATS-34 is a Hitachi productthat is very, very similar to 154-CM.  Normally hardened to around 60Rc, it holds an edge very well and is tough enough even at that high hardness.  Not as rust resistant as the 400 series above.  Many custommakers use ATS-34, and Spyderco (in their high-end knives) and Benchmade are among the production companies that use it. 

ATS-55

  Similar to ATS-34, but with the moly removed and some other elements added.  This steel gives ATS-34 like performance.  Since moly is an expensive element useful for high-speed steels, and knife blades do not need to be high speed, removing the moly hopefully drastically decreases the price of the steel while at least retaining ATS-34's performance.  Spyderco is using this steel.

BG-42

  Bob Loveless announced recently that he's switching from ATS-34 to this steel. Keep an eye out for it, it's bound to catch on.  BG-42 is somewhat similar to ATS-34, with two major differences: It has twice as much manganese as ATS-34, and has 1.2% vanadium (ATS-34 has no vanadium), so look for significantly better edge-holding than ATS-34.  The addition of vanadium and the clean manufacturing process also gives BG-42 better toughness than ATS-34.  Chris Reeve has switched from ATS-34 to BG-42 in his Sebenzas.

CPM T440V - CPM T420V

  Two steels that hold an edge superbly, world class type edge holding, but it's difficult to get the edge there in the first place.  These steels are both high in vanadium.  Spyderco offers at least one model in CPM T440V.  Custom maker Sean McWilliams is a big fan of 440V,which he forges.  Depending on heat treatment, expect to have to work a bit harder to sharpen these steels. For 440V, don't expect ATS-34 type toughness. 420V is CPM's follow-on to 440V, and with less chromium and almost double the vanadium, is more wear-resistant and may be tougher than 440V.

400 Series Stainless

  Before Cold Steel switched to AUS-8, many of their stainless products were marketed as being of "400 Series Stainless".  Other knife companies are beginning to use the same term.  What exactly *is* 400 Series Stainless?  I always imagined it was 440-A, but there's nothing to keep a company from using any 4xx steel, like 420 or 425M, and calling it 400 Series Stainless. 

DAMASCUS STEEL -- see www.dfoggknives.com for much more detail

  Damascus steels are made by forge-welding two or more different metals(usually steels).  The billets are heated and welded; to get an ideaof the process, see Don Fogg's URL listed in the bibliography.  The damascus is then acid-etched.  The different metals etch at different rates, and depth and color contrast are revealed.  Damascus can be made with performance and/or aesthetic objectives in mind.  Aesthetically, the choice of materials is important.  One shiney steel and one darker steel etch out to show the most striking pattern.  If the maker is going more for beauty than performance, he might even go with nickel, which is bright but does not perform as well as steel for cutlery applications.  The other factor affecting beauty is of course the welding pattern.  Many patterns of damascusare available today, from random to star to ladder, and a whole lot more. 

The following steels will provide bright lines:

L-6 and 15N20 (the Swedish version of L-6) -- nickel content

O-1 -- chromium contentASTM 203 E -- nickel content

Nickel

The following steels will provide dark lines:

1095

1084

5160

52100

W-2

NON-STEELS USED BY KNIFEMAKERS

Cobalt - Stellite 6KA

  flexible material with very good wear resistance, it is practically corrosion resistant.  Stellite 6K, sometimes seen in knives, is a cobalt alloy.  David Boye uses cobalt for his dive knives.

Titanium

  Newer titanium alloys can be hardened near 50 Rc, and at that hardness seem to take something approaching a useful edge.  It is extremely rust-resistant, and is non-magnetic.  Popular as expensive dive knives these days, because the SEALs use it as their knife when working around magnetic-detonated mines.  Mission knives uses titanium. Tygrys makes a knife with a steel edge sandwiched by titanium.

Ceramics

  Numerous knives have been offered with ceramic blades.  Usually, those blades are very very brittle, and cannot be sharpened by the user; however, they hold an edge well.  Boker and Kyocera make knives from this type of ceramic.  Kevin McClung recently came out with a ceramic composite knife blade that much tougher than the previous ceramics, tough enough to actually be useful as a knife blade for most jobs. It is also user-sharpenable, and holds an edge incredibly well.